Forum Posts. Pre-Retcon Beyonder. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. We can only scale from their established power levels as they were in 1985, not after the retcon took place. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. @yamiyodare: Living Tribunal has held 2. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher-. Follow 379. Stage 4 - Retcon 1 - Dumb, Dumb, Dumb - It is reveled that everything in secret wars I & II was mearly an illusion. Round 1 - The Beyonders & Thanos HOTU vs Pre-Retcon BeyonderAnd the Beyonder and the Molecule Man are in fact, two halves of one such Cosmic Cube. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. So they pretty much stomps the likes of Galactus, Mephisto and etc who are universal at most. Eru Iluvatar is more like SCP 3812 but. - Fight Scenario -. (too many people use the word "hell" "asshole" and "bitch")Batman (just kidding) 10 years ago. 10 years ago JackKnightPR Beyonder's power was likened to an ocean while the Marvel Universe was said to be a drop of water in comparison. 5 years ago. 3. HeartLesS 14 d . . Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. Tdk banished the Great Darkness from Barbatos, and took over the Dark multiverse, Barbatos is just a small avatar of the Great Darkness. Belligerents: Composite Time Lords from Doctor Who and the Pre-retcon Beyonder from Marvel Comics. Victory conditions: for the beyonder it is to destroy the entire race of time lords, for the time lords it is killing or making the beyonder surrender. Doom get the drop on him and take his power. Pre retcon Beyonder is not a part of Thanos's multiverse, and would thus be unaffected by. The level is set when. 4 years ago s1ckb0yBeak and Toad are on the same level as Daredevil,. Later, the two merge into one single Cosmic Cube, and it is. Instead of dealing with the two out right, the Presence gets help from his agents. Well, the. I think he wins this. Iirc PRB was hit by an attack from Molecule Man that could've destroyed billions of dimensions or something and was nigh-omnipresent and nigh-omnipotent. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. Owen Reece was a weak, shy boy in Brooklyn, New York who obsessively clung to his mother. 4,859 4,632. 0. Pre-retcon Beyonder was almost omnipotent. Thanos wins. No one. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. 2 years ago. CryptoWeaknesses. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. These sorts of characters tend to push higher on the scale occasionally -- notably, Molecule Man was able to match Pre-Retcon Beyonder and he and Franklin Richards recreated the multiverse. A Time Lords) from the. 10 years ago. Yes I'am aware of that but you to remeber that with the Inhuman Beyonder was that this retcon took him back to his Pre-Retcon roots and also everything Pre-Retcon Beyonder did is still cannon to. PRB has a lot of showings that would suggest otherwise. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. 3. Power-level wise, the Beyonder is so far 'beyond' the Anti-Monitor it's not even funny. LT. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. "For sake of argument, let's assume that a normal value is 1. Let's put it this way. Powers are basically the same thing. Also. We have an exact power level for Freezer at that point in the story as well, without needing to look at external sources. :The mage got a rest time of 1 day between the fights. Also CAS safe stomps round 4, 7 and probably round 10 as well. #1 Omega48. "Pre retcon beyonder" had no limits and couldn't be destroyed. Super Power Score and Level. Nov 6, 2017. PRB was TOAA before TOAA was a thing. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. :The mage went to their respective verses o fight 4. Stops at 4. R2: God stomps. Was mind-haxxed/poisoned by Multiversal knowledge, despite being more than thousands of degrees more powerful than such things. This is a higher scale power level. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. I really can't be asked to go. pr beyonder was way above LT, even when pr beyonder was weakened, he was still more powerful than a room full of abstracts, including LT. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. Though with infinite power he is far more concerned about his place in life after being the all and everything within his realm he tries to understand the concepts of Life, Death, and Desire all things that he want experience. But it doesn't end there. He doesn't actually receive any extra power from the Presence. " So, name someone. it would be mostly stalemate. #2. g: Nyx (Persona), Lord Boros. Wich by the way, Beyonder, would just make a tought to undo them all. Welcome to earth. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. Anti-monitor was multiversal, Beyonder was hundreds and hundreds of times more powerful than the multiverse and is the poster boy for omnipotence (even though he's nigh omnipotent). ago. Jack Kirby never wanted the Tribunal to ever be even threatened and the ultimate authority for a long time as long as he was in the company, so LT being beaten was seen as an insult by some comic fans. Pre-Retcon Beyonder can use his powers to instantly know his enemy's thoughts, feelings, and powers and counter them. The Beyonder is millions of times more powerful than the combined power in the multiverse which includes the Living Tribunal - Scan 1. But, that was in regard to a. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. 0. 4 years ago. ago. He needed to use his entire power to kill mistress death which left. Withstanding attacks that can atomize dimensions is a pretty crazy feat. 2. ) No Superman anything, gonna at least make this sorta interesting 2. Wiki Points. Beyonder, very easily. Beyonder was stated millions of times more powerful than the combined power of all Marvel including any and every being in it. cweaver • 7 yr. As a result, for his experiment, he. -5. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. 13. Here are all his interpreted levels of power. Prepare for. The camera zooms out of the celebrating teens only to show PRB above them with puppet strings in his hands. Jan 29, 2017. #2 Edited By Hulkman123. #13 AgentofChaos1. King_Saturn. Stronger than scp-3125 who in turn can exist in noosphere, noosphere contains and surpass narrative within scp which in turn even one narrative in surpass uncountable infinite narratives and oh yeah by the way this is THE SMALLEST narrative and it’s already pre retcon beyonder in turn there are infinite narratives which each surpass each other in. Marvel has it's entire cosmology absolutely filthy with things with a canonical power level of "infinite". HANDBOOK FOR POST RECTON. Forums. and to give Beyonder a curiosity, a reason to visit Earth in SWII. During most of the trial, he was a silent witness, holding Protege, the Beyonder, and the Guardians of the Galaxy, while the Tribunal, Eternity, and the Hawk God argued the case. Anti-monitor was multiversal, Beyonder was hundreds and hundreds of times more powerful than the multiverse and is the poster boy for omnipotence (even though he's nigh omnipotent). Attack Potency: Varies (His power level varies heavily depending on his mental and emotional state, as well as the mental blocks he places upon his own mind - without even knowing) from Human level (Is an ordinary human sometimes, but his statistics tend to go up and down) to High Hyperverse level (Comparable to the Beyonder, being, depending. CryptoBrainiac, the highest level intellect in all of DC and the only villain to go out into the Source to find more information how things really are, says Myxzptlk's power of Imagination is infinite. rest. Beyonder - Writer (according to Stan Lee PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality) I pretend nothing!Summary. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A Name:' The. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the literal principle and the executioner at the same time yes their was scans of Beyonder TANKing universe busting and faster than light attacks he even was able to. Solar Supercharge: Superman Prime One Million remained in Earth's sun, labelled as the "Super-Sun", for 15,000 years, increasing his abilities to unknown but presumably titanic levels. He was thousands of times the power of the Marvel. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. 6. Indeed. Sorry. Power Grid [27] Intelligence@kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. The Beyonder being millions of times the power of the Multiverse was countered by himself twicesaying Eternity and The Phoenix Force had the power to destroy him. Pre-Retcon Beyonder got overpowered by the Phoenix Force. Here is my sandbox: Evaluation would be very helpful. 11. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Pretty much unbeatable is incorrect. Pre-recton Beyonder, was the sum of everything. Doom did. CC Goku is outerversal while in Uni Blue, meanwhile Pre retcon Beyonder as far as i know is high outer and has way better feats, apart from being part of a much larger cosmology. All of the sudden Deku gets a power up and You Say Run starts playing. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. let's wait and see his actual feats. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than anyone not omnipotent. Pre-retcon beyonder vs Dr manhattan Thread starter BBNicky; Start date Apr 18, 2021; BBNicky. Who will win?Pre Beyonder Or CC Goku, Xeno Goku, Rimuru, Gilgamesh And SinbadTop 10 strongest universal characters rankingPre-Retcon [Non-Canon] Franklin Richards;. This is not a stomp either way. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. Someone that is perhaps the only rival of Pre-Retcon Beyonder, a crazy powerful reality bender that once clashed with Beyonder. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. Mr. Regardless. Even MM said Beyonder was well beyond him In that fight even with half his power. Hit a Like And Subscribe To Help Out💵 “Wanna Donate/Support? 💵👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇💰PayPal💰. Round 1: Eternity: Beyonder stomps. Deku remembers All Might then poof PRB is knocked out. Im pretty much clueless on DB and its power levels; but, i cant picture pre retcon beyonder having any difficulties with dragon ball verse characters. He is the closest thing to omnipotent without being omnipotent. Dr. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. however one could always reduce a given discourse's interpretation of Mxy's power levels by bringing up his lowshowings here and there; in regards to scaling Manhattan to Perpetua, I find this really poor since the latter. Pre Retcon Beyonder is TOAA of a world much much larger than Marvel Multiverse. Doom took the Beyonder's powers for a while, even with the Infinity Gauntlet Adam Warlock started to show off about his new found Godhood. The result is pretty obvious. . These are somewhat meaningless, it gets to a point where it's too abstract to try and say something concrete about. Then we will talk. Making the Molecule Man a bomb created by said Beyonders for each reality. The Beyonder is no longer able to destroy the Living Tribunal. Pre-Retcon Beyonder probably is more powerful than current Sky-father Hercules and therefore can/should win. Imagine that as a drop of water. Loki God Of Stories 17. That said, Beyonder loses anyway otherwise and badly (really badly) mainly because Lucifer crushes the BeyondRealm and can survive all of Beyonder's max feat and max implied level of power. Within the beyond realm, he's supposed to be omnipresent. Yes, Fu is at least in Hyperversal, he could be put higher in the arcade and games, but the minimum is Hyperversal, although I don't know why it has been put as in three threads Beyonder vs Fu, Fu is not even close to the levels higher than DB, it is a medium high level at best In times where he was not the absolute power in the situation, it was passed off as an M-Body. Wiki Points. Archie Sonic vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder 62 results; 1; 2; pr0d1gy. Beyonder has way more hax, the Glory is literally non-sentient, and Beyonder has an extreme AP advantage, seeing as the Glory is only possibly baseline High 1-B, and Beyonder is well over 10,000,000 times more powerful than almost every High 1-B in Marvel. Super Power Score and Level. I want to see if Pre-Retcon Beyonder's category can actually last that long. This is Post Retcon Beyonder. He holds the power millions of times greater than the multiverse and it's forces combined. May 26, 2023. bloodlisted. And all other beyonder that barely have any feat to match anyone of the above :) 1. Rune King Thor is still under Omnipotent beings such as The-One-Above-All and Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Follow 3000. Most gods do not place anywhere close to 100 so basically asking if a character or creature reached this power level well they would surpass any of the canon gods. The infinite Marvelverse was stated to be like a drop of water in an ocean compared to PR Beyonder's power. Preretcon Beyonder wins. Super Power Score and Level. Full cosmic cubes, like Kubik and Shaper, are more powerful. Well technically Dr. Round 5 : Beyonder Curbs ( it is said that his power is far superior to MM. Forum Posts. That was the whole point of "Secret Wars II. the_doctor. Beyonder 16. 7: Old Lord Thanos. -. Beyonder Pre-Retcon was a REALM. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). 1st Retcon - Beyonder was a cosmic cube who dreamed everything (so SW & SW II did not happen) . Gan and Crimson King are basically super-amped versions of P. ^This. Super Power Score and Level. Strange, Sorcerer Supreme 10: The In-Betweener. Then there is Inhuman/Mutant beyonder who had nothing to do with The beyonders. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 21 K. . Beyonder is better then the verse it is really to vague an obscure but really they don't seem to come close to his level of power and I doubt they are supposed to be interpreted as such. While often portrayed as a misunderstood villain, he has also at times acted as an anti-hero. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity. plus isnt white phoenix at lt level i hear that it is. I don't recall any changes in power level or powerset. Franklin Richards (when he has powers), Molecule Man, Mad Jim Jaspers, Job Burke, and other universal- to multiversal-level reality warpers. I don't know the specifics of how post-retcon Beyonder was nerfed, but the other two rounds are stomps in favor of Beyonder. 0. I'm not talking about the power he's given, but more so what's possible that's given to him. Poll Scathan The Approver vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (84 votes) Scathan 26%. This was not just simply the power of Transcendence. So, a powerful being's place is usually on the outside as a supporter or obstacle of your central characters. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. Pre-Retcon Beyonders was described to be like a child compared to the Beyonders we are seeing now. VS. God Emperor Doom has no feats that matter at this level, Pre-retcon Beyonder turns him into a toilet. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. This is the power level used when referring to PR Beyonder or PR Molecule Man. Thank you. Follow 15136. The level is set when. Pre Retcon Beyonder is boundless while Lucifer n AR thanos are high outer. Cubey. Omnipotent= One above All (Not celestial) Nigh-Omnipotent= (Pre-recton Beyonder), Living Tribunal, Pre-recton Molecule Man. Rune King Thor cant beat a fully fed. MCU God of stories Loki vs Pre Retcon Beyonder. He has both well feats and statements. . Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. They know that he is capable of ending them with naught but a thought, and that engenders a feeling in them they've never known- fear. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. 2. Pre-Retcon Molecule man can't stop, and even scratch Pre-retcon Beyonder. #18 Edited By Kingant27. The mightiest beings (Living Tribunal) are microbes to him. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. When talking Beyonder, We're referring to a dude whose power level was measured as "quintillions" of times greater than everything in the multiverse combined, and laughed off a. Forum Posts. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. Even an Taiyoku level of One is easily Outerversal level. Marvel team : Pre-Retcon Molecule Man, The Beyonder & Living Tribunal. If the individual, then pre-retcon Beyonder wins hands down. 1. 8 C. #1. All the previous ones have been way too lopsided or at power levels lower than this (discounting preretcon beyonder and MM's clash) Cyclops really disappointed though. Divine mystical enhancements granting near omnipotent abilities. There's a difference. Motivation: ROB Fight in ROBverse. 5: Molecule Man 6: Lifebringer Galactus. 14 years ago. said: "Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins 10/10. Didn't Hom scarlet witch got switched to planet level twice so she isn't. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. Multi-Death 28. 1. The story is a flashback to the original Secret Wars so he had Pre-Retcon Beyonder's powers, that's the Spider-Man being used. Pre Retcon Beyonder. VS. MrStealYoSweetroll • 2 yr. If you can think about beating TOAA, Beyonder can do that. Doom stated the LifeForce >>> the power of Beyonder. ago. This would eventually change with later stories, as writers would rewrite and retcon the Beyonder's character and origin, to decrease his power and importance in the Cosmic Hierarchy. The Pre Rectcon Beyonder is basically a galaxy spanning Pamela Geller, Richard Dawkins and Salman Rushdie rolled into one universal power, the Beyonder has the power to stomp on the Quran or Koran. Follow. Jack Kline can’t do shit. Beyonder (pre retcon) Fixed. Lucifer could just tricked Beyonder like Molecule Man did to Beyonder. eternityx. He took many heroes, including. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. That's all there is to it. Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. Every hero on earth was totally useless against a flawed celestial patched together from bits and pieces of long dead ones. Follow 4132. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more insane than his diet coke race counterparts Hickman used (yes they predate Hickman as Kubik in that FF4 comic shows, I know). Ima go with byonder. I personally think ART wins, but it could go either. However, let's remember; PR Beyonder let Dr. on Beyonder's page it says he is over a million times more poweDoom manages to steal Beyonder’s power. Q, although claims omnipotence, was still very bound with what he could do. If you can find a single DBS character (aside from Zeno) who could solo any of these, I’ll be impressed. Pre-Retcon Beyonder Thread starter shrike2003; Start date May 26, 2006; Who rapes whom? The Spectre, at his max, is basically GOD!!. Having said this,we cannot scale and judge Pre Retcon Beyonder from what the Ivory Kings do. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa. Probably loses rds 5 and 8. edit3: There is one mutant whose ability is retcon. . Definitely Beyonder. Both HotU Thanos and PR Beyonder were vastly greater than LT. Additional comment actions. They literally referenced him and said that he was just a child. And again, this requires their power to be bound, in a sense, such as when gods are unable to interact with the mortal plane directly and must work through agents there instead. Follow 41274. The rest was necessary PIS to make a more interesting story. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. Marvel vs DCBeyonder's best feat is defeating a multiverse level entity, the Living Tribunal, which was a big deal. Someones who can ONESHOT multiverse > > > > > someones who. Yeah. I also added scans and references. Lucifer deletes LT, PRB deletes Lucy then recreates LT. Power-level wise, the Beyonder is so far 'beyond' the Anti-Monitor it's not even funny. Precursors and Silentium Flood (Halo) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (616 Marvel) Apparently, the Precursors are massively multiversal as the Forerunners, who are inferior to them, can use entire universes to power themselves. Master-Tee • 2 yr. Stronger than scp-3125 who in turn can exist in noosphere, noosphere contains and surpass narrative within scp which in turn even one narrative in surpass uncountable infinite narratives and oh yeah by the way this is THE SMALLEST narrative and it’s already pre retcon beyonder in turn there are infinite narratives which each surpass each other in turn of transcendent and this is still on the. No prep everyone is at peak level all blood lusted to the death fight takes place in space. Gender: Inapplicable (As the character stated, "he" was made of energy and could assume any gender that "he" wanted) Age: Unknown. Wiki Points. 0. Victory by permanent death or erasure. give evidence of who wins. After discovering and observing our universe (616) through the pinhole, Beyonder destroys an entire galaxy and creates the battle world from it to act as a battlefield for the secret war between the superheroes and villains - Scan 1 and Scan 2. Could go either way, but I'm siding with Beyonder. They don’t have a weak point in their past to travel to. R. Powers and Stats. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. The Spectre (at MAXIMUM Potential) vs. #8 Edited By Prince of Saiyans. Beyonder is barely multiversal, the cosmology is too. But basically Dr. GEB=Anti Pressence. ago. 0. Both are in character. Cosmic Cube Beyonder. MCU God of stories Loki vs Pre Retcon Beyonder. Pre-retcon, he's a multiversal reality warper and does things like tear the multiverse up on accident . #8 Edited By Sungsam. greater Wheel which is in tur the lowest level of an "telescope stretching all the way back to the eye of the Anui-El, with padomaics innumerable among its infinite walls",. cweaver • 7 yr. Theoreticaly speaking yes Pre Retcon Beyonder is above TOAA simply because TOAA is the most powerful being in the marvel universe, and PRB is 1 million times more powerful than the collective. Multi-Oblivion 22. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Beyonder both times, i find God of stories loki just generally to be wanked by flowery wording and shitty interpretation, hes still currently god of stories and got shit on by Donald Blake who just had some power of Thor and the World Serpant. 3: Pre-retcon Beyonder 4: Post-retcon Beyonders. He should win against Lucifer. Sep 6, 2015. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. g: Hulk (strongest variant), Sargeras. Phoenix Taaia 26. As we can recall he was retconned, meaning most of his feats did not occur. Post Retcon the Beyonder was part cosmic cube along with Owen. deactivated-63c1a72900876. Rune King Thor can't beat Omnipotential beings such as The Beyonders and Cosmic Cubes. That concludes beyonder feats now what I conclude from this is:-. "Pre retcon beyonder" had no limits and couldn't be destroyed. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. Forum Posts. Nothing can come close to infinite creation and/or destruction. . Name: The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who Is All, "Frank," Kosmos, The Maker, The Broken One. Fighting place: Dr. and also white phoenix cant beat toaa but im sure she can eaither salemate prerecton beyonder r at least beat him through. She needed an amp (once from Kang, once from Doom) to reach the levels of power she had to cause M-Day. He wouldn't be. I think pre-retcon Beyonder may take it. This fifth dimensionl counted. 7: Old Lord Thanos. Beyonder is hurt. You. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. The Beyonder is a recurring antagonist of Avengers Assemble. the_doctor. Hungry-Ad9779 • 7 mo. The only level higher than fiction is the reality, so unless you think 3812 is about to come into the real world he literally can't ascend above a comic character. Just checked, you're right, my bad. 8. • Speed: The Beyonder doesn't have too many solid speed feats, Omnipresence isn't considered as a speed tier but rather a state of existence + he's only omnipresent within his realm. when people talk about pre-retcon marvel like pre-retcon beyonder or pre-retcon molecule man what storyline was the retcon. on. 12984. on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse.